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More Money Podcast

Want to learn how to save, earn, and do more with your money? Then welcome to the More Money Podcast! Canadian money expert, speaker, Accredited Financial Counsellor Canada® and podcast host Jessica Moorhouse is here to guide you on your personal finance journey and share the stories, expertise, and wisdom from top personal finance and business experts, entrepreneurs, authors, and influencers to help simplify and demystify the "complex" world of money. In other words, if you want to get a better handle on your money but have no idea where to start... you're in the right place. New episodes air every Wednesday. For podcast episode show notes, visit jessicamoorhouse.com/podcast. To enquire about being a guest on a future episode, visit jessicamoorhouse.com/podcastsubmissions
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Dec 20, 2023

It's the Season 17 finale and to wrap up yet another incredible season, I've got Vivian Tu of Your Rich BFF on the show to share her journey of being raised by immigrant parents, getting into an elite university to make her parents proud, becoming the lone woman of colour Wall Street trader on her team, then leaving it all for the world of Tiktok to become one of the most followed finfluencers who's been able to amass a net worth north of a million dollars in only two years. Oh, and did I mention she also has a new book coming out (that you can enter to win!) called Rich AF: The Winning Money Mindset That Will Change Your Life?

As someone who has been a financial educator and influencer for close to 12 years, it was so fascinating for me to learn how Vivian was able to skyrocket into online popularity during the height of Covid while sticking to her Wall Street roots by making sure to educate her young following about the key things they should know about money and building wealth while staying true to her values.

The podcast will be on break for January but expect to see Season 18 in February so I can finish writing my own book that will be out next winter!

For full episode show notes visit: https://jessicamoorhouse.com/386

Dec 13, 2023

Money can be a simple thing, but it can also be complex when you take into account one important factor — people. Financial content creator and new author Ellyce Fulmore is on the podcast today to discuss her new book, Keeping Finance Personal, as well how we all need to adopt a more shame-free and trauma-aware approach to money. You see, there's a reason managing money and building wealth comes easy to some and not others.

For Ellyce, she realized that her identity as a queer woman with ADHD played a much larger role in her finances than she initially realized. So just think, what does your identity say about your money? Does it mean you face certain barriers that others don't? Does it mean it takes you longer to learn? Does it mean you'll struggle more with things like sticking to a budget or overcoming your anxiety with investing compared to others? The answer is a resounding YES! Personal finance is personal as they say, but often I think that important fact is still overlooked or ignored by many.

For full episode show notes visit: https://jessicamoorhouse.com/385

Dec 6, 2023

I'm so excited to have my next guest come back for a second time on the show because she's not only that much closer to achieving her goal of financial independence but she's also just published her first book on how we can all follow in her footsteps! I'm talking about Jamila Souffrant, the host of the Journey to Launch podcast who you may remember from episode 275. Her new book, Your Journey To
Financial Freedom A Step-by-Step Guide to Achieving Wealth and Happiness
, goes in-depth about what specific steps we all should be taking to save more, pay down debt, and ultimately build more wealth so we can live more and be able to pass down more wealth to future generations.

Although Jamila has reached some big milestones recently, it's been a long journey to get where she is. Her journey actually started with paying down $169,000 in debt in just two years, while also balancing running a full-time business and being a mom of three young children in Brooklyn, New York. If you're looking for some motivation to either start or continue your own personal finance journey, you need to listen to this episode.

For full episode show notes visit: https://jessicamoorhouse.com/384

Nov 29, 2023

I've been teasing this episode throughout the season because Simone Stolzoff's book The Good Enough Job: Reclaiming Life from Work just so happens to be one of the best books I've read all year (and I can't shut up about it). In the personal finance space, we often talk about working, earning an income, getting raises and promotions, and the ultimate dream of having a career you're passionate about. But the reality is... work is still work even if it is your passion. Not only that, there are a ton of downsides to working a job you're passionate about as Simone shares stories about in his book.

Maybe there is something to be said for keeping your life and livelihood separate. Maybe you don't have to be passionate about your job but can funnel that passion into your personal life instead. Maybe Mark Twain was full of crap when he was quoted as saying "Find a job you enjoy doing, and you will never have to work a day in your life." As a journalist, designer, author and now someone who quit his 9-to-5 to work for himself, Simone joins me on the podcast to discuss why having a job that's good enough may actually be what we should be striving for instead of a career that tries to fulfill us in every possible way.

For full episode show notes visit: https://jessicamoorhouse.com/383

Nov 22, 2023

Why is there still a gender pay gap? Why are women so often criticized or penalized for being ambitious and career-focused? Why is it so much harder for women to build the same kind of wealth and achieve the same form of success as men when they follow the same rules? These are some big questions to ask, which is why I invited Stefanie O'Connell Rodriguez back on the show to try to answer them.

Since Stefanie was first on episode 35, all the way back in 2016, a lot has changed since then. Over the past few years, she's launched the website Too Ambitious as well as an award-winning newsletter of the same name to tackle topics often overlooked in the personal finance space such as the gender pay gap, the motherhood penalty, and other barriers that women in particular face when it comes to building wealth and successful careers compared to their male counterparts.

In our discussion together, Stefanie not only shares her take on some of the hot-button issues, but she also brings receipts in the form of hard data and academic studies.

For full episode show notes visit: https://jessicamoorhouse.com/382

Nov 15, 2023

This is a very special episode for all my Canadian listeners who are also fans of Canadian personal finance YouTuber Adrian Bar a.k.a. Canadian in a T-Shirt. Having amassed over 140,000 subscribers on YouTube and millions of views, Adrian has been consistent with his get-rich-slowly approach to teaching Canadians about taxes, investing, and saving their money.

And what's even more exciting about having him on the show is I had Adrian over at my home studio to do the recording! I haven't done this since 2019, and it was seriously such a blast talking about his journey from working in AI to becoming a full-time content creator, his investment philosophy and strategies he lives by, and of course his top money tips for listeners like you.

For full episode show notes visit: https://jessicamoorhouse.com/381

Nov 8, 2023

What's it like to be an Olympian, a Cirque du Soleil performer, and a Vice President of Entertainment and Pictures for Shark Tank Robert Herjavec's company? Well, that's why I've got my next guest Mary Sanders on the show to tell me, in addition to sharing the lessons she's learned about reinventing herself (multiple times) which she documents in her new book 9 Lives by 35: An Olympic Gymnast's Inspiring Story of Reinvention.

Mary learned the value of a dollar early in life when her dad passed away when she was 8 and her mom had to raise her and her siblings on a single income. Inspired by her dad's legacy as a Big Ten Champion, she started taking gymnastics seriously and soon became a two-time Canadian Champion in Rhythmic Gymnastics. Keen to reach her full potential, she started competing for the U.S. and eventually made it to the 2004 Olympics.

But what happens when you've aged out of professional sports? You need to reinvent yourself, which is what Mary did by starting a new career with Cirque du Soleil. But after several years as a performer, she realized she needed to pivot again, which brought her to her current career in business.

Mary's story of starting from almost nothing to becoming a champion gymnast to then having to switch careers multiple times should serve as inspiration for us all that life isn't a straight and narrow path and it's okay to experience setbacks in life. What's important is to keep going, changing, and being open to what life has in store for you next.

For full episode show notes visit: https://jessicamoorhouse.com/380

Nov 1, 2023

Money isn't everything, and it most certainly shouldn't be the thing that dictates where your life takes you (or holds you hostage). No one knows this better than Mick Heyman, author of Mellow Your Money: How to Surf the Market and Build Wealth Without Stressing Yourself Out. After working in wealth management for 40 years, he realized he wasn't happy where he was and had been chasing the money to a life he couldn't even recognize anymore. That's when he made a big change, moved from Louisville, Kentucky to San Diego, and finally started living life on his terms.

His years of experience in finance and life change (that turned out to be one of the best decisions he ever made) inspired him to share his experience and best financial tips with others in his new book so we all can learn how to mellow our money a bit more.

For full episode show notes visit: https://jessicamoorhouse.com/379

Oct 25, 2023

It’s not easy immigrating to a new country and trying to navigate a new workplace with different shorthand, customs, and rules… especially when that workplace isn’t set up so all employees feel seen, heard, and safe no matter their background. This was Ayo Owodunni’s initial experience when he immigrated to Canada from Nigeria back in 2016, before he became a City Counsellor for Kitchener Ontario and a management consultant for large-scale organizations such as Spotify, Canada Life, Microsoft, Thomson Reuters, CIBC, TMX Group and Hydro One.

Seeing as over the past 5 years, Canada has welcomed over 1.5 million immigrants, with 6 out of 10 being economic migrants with years of professional experience and education, Ayo realized fairly quickly in his work that big change needed to happen on the institutional level. This is what inspired him to write his new book, The Immigrant View: The Guide to Helping Immigrants Thrive in Your Organization, to help companies develop a more inclusive culture and take advantage of the extensive skill sets that newcomers to Canada bring to the table as employees.

In this episode, we discuss the specific challenges that immigrants may face in the workplace, the qualities of inclusive leadership, the importance of cultural intelligence, as well as practical steps for building a harmonious and diverse team.

For full episode show notes visit: https://jessicamoorhouse.com/378

Oct 18, 2023

Have we lost sight of what's really important in life and are we too focused on hustling our way to riches? For many of us, the answer is yes, and thanks to Manisha Thakor and her new book MoneyZen: The Secret to Finding Your "Enough", we can start learning how to get back to a place of zen. I'm so excited to have Manisha on the show because her book is honestly right up my alley (as you may have noticed with some of the themes of the podcast lately). In this episode, she helps break down some of the personal, cultural, and societal forces that exist that have led many of us to falsely believe we can never have or be enough, and what steps we can take to embrace pure joy and have a healthier relationship with money.

Manisha has worked in the financial services industry for more than 30 years, with an emphasis on women's economic empowerment and financial well-being. In addition to MoneyZen, she has also co-authored two other personal finance books: Get Financially Naked and On My Own Two Feet. Although she's a CFA, CFP and has her MBA from Harvard Business School, Manisha's work now focuses on helping people of all ages to balance their financial health with their emotional wealth.

For full episode show notes visit: https://jessicamoorhouse.com/377

Oct 11, 2023

Why is it that often what's in the way of us achieving our financial goals and attaining wealth is ourselves? That's what I'm discussing with Peter Atwater, economics professor and author of The Confidence Map: Charting a Path from Chaos to Clarity, on the show today.

After decades of working in financial services, when he turned 45 he abruptly quit his job (partially because his son reminded him he was halfway to 90) and changed course to study confidence and the impact it has on individual and group decision-making. Now, he's out with a book all about it in addition to teaching the topic at William & Mary University as well as the honors program at the University of Delaware.

As we've discussed on the show before, money is simple but the hard part is controlling how it makes us feel. Luckily Peter offers some great insight into how to own those feelings so we can do a better job of reigning them in when we need to and make better financial decisions for the long-term.

For full episode show notes visit: https://jessicamoorhouse.com/376

Oct 4, 2023

We hear the word “sustainability” a lot more now than we used to, but what can people like you and me actually do to make an impact? What role can we play to ensure we’re putting less waste in landfills and are being more thoughtful consumers? To answer these questions and more, I have Eleanor Tucker, author of Thanks for Sharing, on the show. In this episode, she not only shares her personal journey of becoming more sustainable and trying out new apps and programs within the sharing economy with her family, but she also provides actionable tips for people in the US, UK and Canada so we can all start right doing something right after listening to this episode!

I’ve gotta say, after talking with Eleanor, I found myself having a lot more hope for our future and our planet. Although bigger change needs to happen at the top (e.g. corporate and government levels), that doesn’t mean we can’t do what we can to save this planet we love as well as reconnect with one another in our neighbourhoods, cities, and global communities.

For full episode show notes visit: https://jessicamoorhouse.com/375

Sep 27, 2023

Welcome back to the More Money Podcast and the premiere of Season 17 of the show! To kick things off, I've got New York Times best-selling author, podcast host, actor and filmmaker Gabe Dunn on the podcast, who you may already be familiar with from their popular book and podcast Bad with Money.

In this episode, Gabe shares their personal finance journey from navigating private school as a lower-income kid, to studying at an elite college accruing mountains of student debt, to working an unpaid internship that got them further into debt to afford food and rent, to eventually becoming one of the most honest and vulnerable voices in the personal finance space today. Not only does Gabe openly share the mistakes they've made and lessons they've learned along the way (so you don't have to repeat them), but they also share the raw truth about managing money with bipolar disorder and the real costs of transitioning especially in the midst of losing health insurance due to the WGA strikes.

For full episode show notes visit: https://jessicamoorhouse.com/374

Jun 15, 2023

I can't believe this is the last episode of Season 16! It's been an amazing season and I'm so happy to close it out with a great episode for all my summer travelers wanting to know how they can save money on converting their currency abroad. Or even if you aren't traveling this summer, if you aspire to be a digital nomad or frequently receive/send money to family or friends internationally, then you'll want to listen up.

Brigit Carroll who joins me for this episode is the Policy Lead, North America at Wise, and she's sharing how Wise is changing the game for how we can send, receive and exchange money internationally and effectively normalize borderless banking. Brigit advocates for Wise’s mission of instant, convenient, transparent, and eventually free cross-border payments vis-a-vis policymakers in the U.S., Canada, and beyond. Based in Washington, D.C., Brigit joined Wise’s policy team in Brussels in 2019, focused on EU policy. Prior to joining Wise, Brigit gained 5+ years’ experience in public affairs and advocacy in Brussels, at global communications firm FleishmanHillard and the American Chamber of Commerce to the EU.

In this episode, Brigit explains how Wise works, including how it keeps your money safe and makes international transactions easy with lower fees and better exchange rates. She also shares her own story of using Wise before she started working for the company while she lived in Europe and how they are constantly trying to improve and partner with financial institutions to make things easier and better.

Thank you so much for listening to another season of the More Money Podcast and thank you to all the amazing guests that came on the show! I'm going to take a much-needed summer break, work on my book and visit my family in Vancouver. So with that, see you in September and enjoy your summer too!

For full episode show notes visit: https://jessicamoorhouse.com/373

Jun 14, 2023

It's the penultimate episode of Season 16 and today I'm joined by a millennial making waves with her personal finance content on Instagram and Tiktok — Melissa Jean-Baptiste aka Millenial in Debt. Melissa is a former high school teacher turned financial educator and career coach who helps millennials and Gen Z build generational wealth and gain financial freedom in a shame-free digital environment. She's also a new author recently releasing her first book, So This Is Why I'm Broke, and I couldn't wait to chat with her all about it in today's episode.

In this episode, Melissa shares her debt journey and why she thinks it's important to add yourself into your budget, in other words, don't forget to have fun and live a little! She also shares what she'd do differently looking back at her twenties and what the reality of going viral online was like (FYI, it's not all fire and high-five emojis). This episode is for all the people who think they're running out of time because they've hit their 30s. As someone who recently turned 37, let me tell you, don't worry, you still have plenty of time to achieve your goals and change your financial life!

For full episode show notes visit: https://jessicamoorhouse.com/372

Jun 7, 2023

Can you believe we're a week away from the finale of this season of the More Money Podcast? Helping me draw this season to a close is returning guest Erin Lowry, author of the widely popular Broke Millenial series. With her latest instalment in the series just hitting bookshelves, she's joining me on the show today to talk about her new workbook, Broke Millennial Workbook: Take Control and Get Your Financial Life Together and you better believe I'm giving away some copies to some lucky listeners!

Previous to this workbook, Erin has authored Broke Millennial, Broke Millennial Takes On Investing, and Broke Millennial Talks Money. She's been featured in The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and on CBS Sunday Morning, CNBC, and The Rachael Ray Show. She has also written for The New York Times and USA Today, and currently contributes to Bloomberg Opinion.

In this episode, Erin shares how this workbook challenges you to take action with your finances by crunching your numbers, looking at the big picture, and figuring out what your real money goals are for your future. Erin also shares how she's updated the previous advice given in her other books to better reflect how to navigate a post-pandemic world. Finally, she shares what chapters in her book she thinks are the key to sorting your personal finances.

For full episode show notes visit: https://jessicamoorhouse.com/371

May 31, 2023

As we know, I'm a huge advocate for index investing and today on the More Money Podcast I have two guests who are sharing their expertise on the subject including some of the pitfalls of investing in actively managed funds. Anu Ganti and Joseph Nelesen, both Senior Directors of Index Investment Strategy at S&P Dow Jones Indices, are joining me today and I'm telling you, this episode is chock-full of valuable investing info!

Anu is a CFA charterholder and holds her MBA in finance and economics from Columbia Business School, as well as her bachelor’s degree in finance and marketing from NYU’s Stern School of Business. She is often sharing her expertise with both print and broadcast media outlets and helps lead the index investment strategy team in providing research and commentary on the entire S&P DJI product set, including U.S. and global equities, thematics, commodities, fixed income, and sustainability indices. Prior to joining the team, Anu worked in the asset management space, completing a post-MBA rotational program at Russell Investments within their fixed-income research and trading divisions and also worked as a portfolio manager focusing on emerging market equities at Parametric Portfolio Associates (a subsidiary of Eaton Vance).

Joseph holds a Ph.D. from Northwestern University, an MBA from the Kenan Flagler Business School at University of North Carolina, and a Bachelor of Arts with honors from the University of California at San Diego. He also helps lead the index investment strategy team, but prior to working at S&P DJI he headed iShares Institutional Factors Strategy at Blackrock and held roles in exchange-traded product research and development. Joseph also previously worked in mergers and acquisitions and corporate investment banking with Citigroup and Bear, Stearns & Co.

In this episode, Joseph and Anu challenge the myth that indexing only yields average investment returns and share how SPIVA measures actively managed funds against their index benchmarks worldwide using the data and insights they've gained over the past 20 years. This episode is full of some great information and will definitely be perfect for anyone wanting to understand why index investing is a tried and true long-term investment strategy.

For full episode show notes visit: https://jessicamoorhouse.com/370

May 24, 2023

One topic I don’t talk enough about on this podcast is giving back, specifically by donating to charities and making room for those donations in our budgets. That’s why I’m so happy to have Shannon Craig, Chief Marketing Officer at CanadaHelps, on the show today to talk about how easy, fun, and fulfilling giving back to our communities can actually be.

Shannon is a seasoned marketer with nearly 25 years of experience. In her current role as Chief Marketing Officer at CanadaHelps, she recently lead the launch of UniteforChange.com, a site targeted towards younger Canadians where they can donate to Cause Funds, a new and innovative way to give where a single donation supports a group of registered charities working towards the same cause. 

In this episode, Shannon shares what obstacles Canadian charities are currently facing post-pandemic and how we as individuals can help going forward. Shannon also shares how Unite for Change is changing the way we donate and the many benefits donating to Canadian charities offers to improve our environment and society now and into the future.

For full episode show notes visit: https://jessicamoorhouse.com/369

May 17, 2023

Life is full of making tough decisions but that doesn’t mean they’re any easier to make. That’s why I’m so happy to have a return guest on the show to talk about her new book, No-Regret Decisions: Making Good Choices During Difficult Times. Shannon Lee Simmons is back on the show to share how we can all tackle life’s big decisions without regret.  

Shannon is an award-winning Certified Financial Planner, speaker, Chartered Investment Manager, author, and founder of the New School of Finance. No-Regret Decisions: Making Good Choices During Difficult Times is her third book after, Worry-Free Money and Living Debt-Free. 

In this episode, Shannon shares the missing piece when making tough decisions and why we must stop focusing on the outcomes when making no-regret-based decisions. Shannon also shares her go-to strategies found in her new book that outline how to make decisions that are right for you and your life.

For full episode show notes visit: https://jessicamoorhouse.com/368

May 10, 2023

If we all have more access to financial information and advice than ever before, you'd think we'd all be making better financial decisions for ourselves. So why is it that so many of us still struggle with making the right choices and self-sabotaging our financial futures? That's what my guest Paco de Leon and I will be discussing on the More Money Podcast today, plus more from her book Finance for the People: Getting a Grip on Your Finances.

Paco is an author, illustrator, and host of the podcast Weird Finance. She also founded The Hell Yeah Group, a financial firm dedicated to inspiring creatives to engage with their personal and business finances, and Hell Yeah Bookkeeping, a bookkeeping agency for creative businesses.

In this episode, Paco shares why she actually never wanted to write a book and what changed her mind (and I'm so glad she did). She also shares why scarcity and consumerism go hand in hand and how our history with debt started well before the introduction of money. We cover so many topics and I can't wait for you to listen!

For full episode show notes visit: https://jessicamoorhouse.com/367

May 3, 2023

I'm so excited to have one of my favourite people on the Internet and in the personal finance space join me on the show today. Berna Anat, a.k.a. financial hype woman and founder of Hey Berna is on the show to talk about her debut money book, Money Out Loud, that just hit shelves!

Berna is a proud Filipina-American daughter of immigrants and an award-winning producer, speaker, podcast host, and now author! Berna was named The Plutus Awards’ Most Entertaining Financial Creator two years in a row and was named one of ABS-CBN's Global Pinoy Idols.

In this episode, Berna shares how her new book came to be, including her roots as a first-gen Filipina-American and how that impacted her personal finance journey. Berna shares how she approached writing this book and with particular emphasis on lending her own unique voice to topics like budgeting, bank accounts, debt and so much more.

For full episode show notes visit: https://jessicamoorhouse.com/366

Apr 26, 2023

How much more money do you need to make in order to feel satisfied with your life? That is the big question we’re tackling in today’s episode with Dawn Dahlby, Certified Financial Planner®, behavioural financial advisor, and author of Live WELLthy: Own Your Worth, Grow Your Wealth! 

Dawn serves as the founder and president of Relevé Financial Group and has over 20 years of experience providing financial advice, which is why she brings so much experience and real-life stories to the table when discussing how we can stop getting in the way of ourselves and our future financial growth.

In this episode, Dawn also shares why she feels self-limiting beliefs are the big reason we attach emotions like fear and guilt to our money and why she hopes that her book will inspire others to take action and start building a meaningful and abundant life. I know I felt lighter after our conversation together, so I hope you also feel reenergized too as we enter the spring season!

For full episode show notes visit: https://jessicamoorhouse.com/365

Apr 19, 2023

If you’re in need of a motivational boost or a reminder that life doesn’t start after you reach your goals, then you'll love today’s episode! I’m so excited to have Scarlett Cochran, founder of One Big Happy Life and new author, join me on the show today to talk about how she changed her money story and the details of her book It's Not About the Money.

Scarlett Cochran is an attorney, financial expert, and entrepreneur. In her career as a lawyer, she worked on behalf of everyday Americans at government agencies, including the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, and the US Department of Housing and Urban Development. She now spends her time working on One Big Happy Life, a one-stop shop to turn your money and life around with her partner, Joseph.

In this episode, Scarlett shares the struggles she faced as a young single mom, what led her to become a lawyer, and now a finance expert working to help change people’s lives and finances. She also shares the inspiration behind her new book, It's Not About the Money, her opinions on the FIRE community, and why she believes that life doesn’t start after you reach certain milestones.

For full episode show notes visit: https://jessicamoorhouse.com/364

Apr 12, 2023

I always jump at the chance to interview an expert in DIY investing for the podcast and this week I have someone who's been working in the investment industry for decades! Peter McMurtry is an author and financial writer, whose recent book Own Your Financial Future: Take Charge of Your Investments is sure to pique your interest if you're wanting to take a more self-directed approach to your investment portfolios.

Peter McMurtry has been involved in the investment industry for over 30 years and his experience includes almost every aspect of the industry. He's currently a financial writer and has a Chartered Financial Analyst designation (CFA®). He's also previously been a portfolio manager and has been involved in financial planning and sales. In his new book, Own Your Financial Future, he guides budding investors to manage their own investments without the use of an advisor.

Peter also shares how his newsletter, The McMurtry Investment Report, helps to empower his readers to make their own investment decisions, on top of what to know about fees, how to pick and research stocks, and how to have a balanced portfolio.

For full episode show notes visit: https://jessicamoorhouse.com/363

Apr 5, 2023

Something I firmly believe is that personal finance is for everyone. I think that anyone can start their personal finance journey at any point in their life (it's never too late!) and getting to grips with your money doesn’t have to be difficult. My guest today believes the same and that’s why she recently wrote a book about it. You might recognize today’s guest from Episode 291 of the podcast but now almost two years later, Allison Baggerly is back on the show to talk all about her new book, Money Made Easy!

Allison Baggerly is an author, podcaster, money coach, and founder of Inspired Budget. As a former teacher, Allison blends her talents for teaching with her passion for personal finances to help others learn how to start budgeting and build a life they love.

In this episode, Allison shares what inspired her new book and why she’s passionate about getting rid of the shame attached to getting better with your money. She also shares her top tips for getting your partner on board with your personal finance journey and why getting to the heart of what you want out of life is the key to a budget that will work best for you.

For full episode show notes visit: https://jessicamoorhouse.com/362

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