Hurray, today is a special bonus episode for you as we get ready to wrap up Season 12 in the coming weeks! In today’s episode, we’re celebrating the fact that June is Options Education Month. I have Bryan Rogers from TD Direct Investing joining me today to share and answer all questions relating to investing with options.
Bryan is the Client Education Instructor at TD Direct Investing, who has 20 years of experience in the industry with a Master’s Degree in Business. During his Master’s he became interested in personal finance and once he started working at TD he discovered his passion for helping others with their finances leading to his current role.
Investing has long been a favourite topic on the podcast and I was so happy to have Bryan share his expertise on an alternative kind of investing, and one that is more complex. In this episode, Bryan answered what options are, how they work, common terms, and misconceptions. If you’re interested in investing in options or are just curious because of the constant news surrounding the topic then this episode is definitely for you.
Make sure to also check out all the free resources on options here: td.com/OptionsEducationMonth
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This week I have Tiffany “The Budgetnista” Aliche on the podcast! I have been following Tiffany for years and throughout that time have seen her and her brand grow exponentially. We chat about everything from her new book, Get Good with Money to how she took her business from one-on-one budget coaching to helping millions of women save and manage their money.
Hailing from New Jersey, Tiffany is a personal financial educator and former teacher of over 10 years with a Master’s degree in Education. She was instrumental in getting The Budgetnista Law (A1414) passed in January 2019, making financial education mandatory for middle school students in New Jersey. Her new book Get Good with Money, was published earlier this year and is a New York Times Bestseller.
In this episode, Tiffany gives insight into how her business grew over time and how her past as a teacher made her into the successful personal financial educator that she is today. I hope this episode drives home the fact that everyone starts somewhere, and you can decide to change and start your personal finance journey at any time.
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This week’s guest is one that I’m shocked that I haven’t already had on the podcast. I’ve known Mark Seed for years and I was am so happy to be able to talk with him about his approach to FIRE, as well as his investing philosophy (FIWOOT) and what it means to be a hybrid investor.
Mark Seed is the founder of My Own Advisor, personal finance and investing blog that he started in 2009. He is also the co-founder of Cashflows & Portfolios, which is a new, free resource providing a beginning-to-end guide for DIY investors. Mark has been featured in MoneySense magazine, The Globe and Mail, and The Winnipeg Free Press and is currently working towards semi-retirement with his wife.
As a successful DIY investor, Mark was able to share both great tips and the mistakes he’s made along the way. Mark also outlines how the 2008 financial crisis was the spark that lit the path for his financial journey and blog. If you’re just as curious about other people’s approach to investing as I am then I know you’ll love my conversation with Mark.
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For years the conversation around women and wealth has centred on the gender pay gap in the workforce, but is that really the only reason why women are earning significantly less than men? Today’s guest is here to answer that question and give amazing insight into why women are statistically the poorer sex. Annabelle Williams joins me today from the United Kingdom and is a financial journalist and newly published author.
Annabelle has had two weekly columns in The Times of London and has recently released her first book, Why Women Are Poorer Than Men and What We Can Do About It, which explores the inequality in money and wealth between the sexes. It includes examples from all over the world including large sections focused on North America.
Annabelle gave such amazing hard-hitting facts and statistics on why women have historically been unable to attain the same wealth as men. We talked about several topics that are more thoroughly discussed in her new book, but topics covered today include why women are often the ones paying more for things because of societal pressures and norms that men don’t have to contend with and how ownership and leadership roles are two of the biggest factors in the pay gap.
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For this week’s episode, I have the pleasure of welcoming the founder of Clever Girl Finance, Bola Sokunbi. Clever Girl Finance is one of the largest financial education platforms in the U.S, which is centred around empowering women to achieve financial wellness and live life on their own terms. In this episode, topics range from the importance of women investing, to the need for the financial education space to hear more from minorities.
As well as the founder of Clever Girl Finance, Bola is a Certified Financial Education Instructor (CFEI), finance expert, bestselling author, and speaker. Her third book Clever Girl Finance: The Side Hustle Guide comes out in June 2021.
Investing and financial advice have long been dominated by an older generation of men that tends to not account for the barriers that women face in their financial journey. Today’s episode highlights why that needs to change and why women need to prioritize their wealth-building journey. Bola also urges the financial community to move forward with more empathy.
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This week’s episode seems more relevant than ever since we’ve been living during a pandemic and that’s why I’m so glad I get to share it with you all. My guest this week is the author of the newly released book The Seven Deadly Economic Sins, James Otteson. Our conversation explores everything from the impact of generational wealth to the economic history behind it.
James has an undergraduate degree from the University of Notre Dame and a Ph.D. in philosophy from the University of Chicago. He’s currently the John T. Ryan Jr. Professor of Business Ethics in the Mendoza College of Business at the University of Notre Dame. His specialties include moral philosophy, the history of economic thought, and business ethics.
Our conversation delves into the relationship between philosophy and economics and what kind of impact that has in the real world. James echoes a lot of my own feelings of wealth, in that it is a tool and not an end goal. This episode is full of food for thought, as is his new book and so I hope it gives you something to chew on today.
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On today’s podcast, I’m interviewing entrepreneur, Dragon investor, and new podcast host Manjit Minhas! I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t starstruck while interviewing Manjit since I am a huge fan of CBC’s Dragon’s Den. I couldn’t be more excited to share with you our conversation from how she became an entrepreneur as a young engineering student, to behind the scenes of Dragon’s Den as well as her newest venture as host of her podcast, The Manjit Minhas Podcast.
Manjit Minhas is the co-founder and owner of Minhas Breweries, Distilleries, and Wineries with her brother Ravinder Minhas. Since starting her business at the ripe age of 19 years old, Manjit has gone on to grow her business portfolio, which includes over 30 Canadian businesses stemming from the 6 seasons she’s been a Dragon investor on CBC’s Dragon’s Den.
In November 2020 she decided to hit record on her conversations with fellow business leaders and CEOs by way of her podcast, “The Manjit Minhas Podcast” so that she could share their stories and insights into achieving success. She currently resides in Calgary, from which she was born and raised with her husband and two young daughters.
Manjit believes there isn’t one set path to becoming an entrepreneur and her story is a great example of that. As long as you’re keen to learn and have the self-awareness to know what you don’t know then you’re already on the right path. I hope you find today’s episode just as inspiring as I did when I recorded it!
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This week on the podcast we’re asking the question, what does it mean to think like a breadwinner? How would your approach to spending, saving, and investing in your future change if you thought like the primary earner in your life? Luckily, the answers to those questions are exactly what my guest, Jennifer Barrett, author of the upcoming book Think Like a Breadwinner will be tackling.
Jennifer Barrett is the Chief Education Officer at Acorns, a saving and investing app with more than 9 million users. She’s also a contributor to Forbes, as well as an advisor to three female-led startups and a featured money expert in the media. She lives in Brooklyn with her family, of which she is also the breadwinner.
Following Jennifer’s own wake-up call to change her money mindset, she wants all women to know that they don’t have to think small when it comes to wealth-building. We discuss everything from what women should be investing in (spoiler alert, it’s not handbags and clothes) and how negotiating for a better future now will give you the biggest payday in the future. Jennifer’s book and our chat definitely reinforced what a positive ripple effect wealth-building can have on your life.
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This week I have a first on the More Money Podcast…a guest from across the pond! In today’s episode, I welcome Ken Okoroafor, a first-generation immigrant from Lagos, Nigeria who at age 14 moved to the UK to start a new life. Ken is a trained Chartered Account with 15 years of experience working in both Asset Management and Venture Capital. In April 2020, he took the big leap to go full-time with his passion project turned business, The Humble Penny, which he started with his wife in 2017.
In today’s episode, we dive into The Humble Penny’s early beginnings and the whirlwind 18-month journey Ken has been on from starting The Humble Penny Youtube channel. Furthermore, we chat about his new platform, Financial Joy Academy, which seeks to help 10,000+ families achieve financial independence and money joy in their lives by 2030.
Ken shares that his decision to step outside his comfort zone was the best thing he could’ve done for his business and his life. So, if you’re in need of some inspiration and a push to finally start that project you’ve been putting off then this is the episode for you.
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Have you ever wondered how much it really costs to have a baby? We’ve all heard having a kid can be expensive but what do those numbers actually look like? Whether you’re planning on having a baby in the near or distant future or like me, are curious about getting to know the nitty-gritty of how much raising a kid in Canada is then today’s episode should pique your interest.
Joining me on the podcast today is Vivian Leung, Senior Principal, Taxation at CPA Canada. Prior to her current role, Vivian was the Program Director for Tax Education where she was responsible for developing and implementing the strategic direction of CPA Canada income tax education.
As quoted in Babies: How to Afford Your Bundle of Joy, Vivian shares from both personal and professional experience what it costs to have a family today. We dive into whether advice from our mothers holds up to today’s standards and what having a baby looks like on your finances in the short-term, like parental leave and long-term, like saving for post-secondary education.
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A lot of the time when you start reading about F.I.R.E. (Financial Independence Retire Early), the stories you hear about how people achieved it can be pretty insane. Many people in the community can take living on less and saving and investing every extra dollar to the extreme, which can seem pretty intimidating or just unrealistic. Why can't you enjoy the journey to financial independence? Why can't you work towards building wealth and having more financial security without making so many sacrifices?
Luckily I have Jamila Souffrant on the show, founder and podcast host of Journey to Launch, who shares that it is possible to work towards financial independence and enjoy yourself at the same time. In this episode, she shares what inspired her to achieve F.I.R.E. and how her strategy is a bit more sustainable (and fun!) than some of the more strict paths others may take. Because at the end of the day, life is short and we need to enjoy every bit we can! It doesn't have to be an all-or-nothing situation. You can work towards having a better financial life, without having to sacrifice your happiness or comfort for years until you reach your goal.
For full episode show notes, visit https://jessicamoorhouse.com/275
Negotiation is such an important part of setting yourself up for financial success and helping you build wealth over time. Just think, by negotiating your salary a few thousand dollars higher at the beginning of your job, that could have a major impact on future bonuses, raises, and salaries!
Unfortunately, most of us weren’t taught how to negotiate and the examples we see on TV do not work in the real world. That’s why I have Jean-Nicolas Reyt on the show, who is a negotiation expert and Assistant Professor of Organizational Behaviour at McGill University. He teaches students every day what to do, and not to, when negotiation in every situation.
Unlike what we may think, it’s not about being aggressive or manipulating the other party. It’s about doing your research, being confident in what you’re asking for, and ultimately finding a middle ground in which you, and whoever you’re negotiating with, find a happy outcome.
As mentioned in the show, Jean-Nicolas has so many great tips and ideas on this topic, so make sure to subscribe to his newsletter Master Negotiators linked in the show notes.
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It’s not every day you get a celebrity sports star on your podcast…who also doubles as a financial educator who is passionate about helping more Canadians become empowered through personal finance!
For this episode of the show, I have professional football player (he plays defensive back for the Hamilton Tiger-Cats of the CFL) and financial literacy advocate Courtney Stephen as my special guest to discuss his career and his mission to help others better manage their money and understand the importance of generational wealth.
Although you may not think that sports and finance go hand in hand, they actually really do! As we discuss in this episode, they can both seem intimidating, but at their core, they are quite simple. For sports, it's about understanding the rules, practicing, and then implementing what you've learned. The same goes for money. It's really just simple math, understanding some best practices and rules for money management, then actually putting into action what you've learned.
Still, it can seem easier said than done, which is where that mindset component comes in. You need to trust yourself and not let your imposter syndrome get in the way. And that means showing up for yourself, your future, and your family every single day.
I hope you enjoy this inspirational episode just as much as I enjoyed interviewing Courtney! And don't forget to check out his website and amazing YouTube channel!
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One year ago I had Kelley Keehn, financial educator, speaker, media personality, and author, on the show to discuss her latest book Talk Money to Me. And then a few weeks later the pandemic hit and everything changed.
Well, she's back on the show with a new edition of her book that includes passages specifically talking about Covid-19 and its impact on people's finances. Some people had the roughest year in 2020, and are still struggling in 2021. Many people lost jobs, racked up debt, and have struggled to earn an income and keep up with their bills. And others have experienced the opposite in that they never experienced a significant change in their income or jobs (aside from working from home) and have actually been able to save more money than usual by spending more time at home with less stuff or experiences to spend their money on.
So...what does this mean? What should you do or change in terms of managing your money if you're in either camp? How has this pandemic changed personal finance for all of us? Kelley Keehn is here to share her insight and some tips to help you no matter what you're going through.
For full episode show notes, visit https://jessicamoorhouse.com/272
With International Women’s Day happening this past Monday, I’ve partnered with Coast Capital Savings on their Keep Her on the Map campaign to put a spotlight on the disproportionate social and economic impacts that the COVID-19 has had on women, and women-owned businesses, and hopefully inspire action. To discuss this more in-depth, I have Larkin MacKenzie-Ast on the show, who is currently the Chair of the Business Women’s Network at Coast Capital Savings.
Throughout the almost 6 years of this podcast, I’ve tried to emphasize the importance of using your dollars as votes for change. Of course it’s important to be frugal and find deals to save money, but it’s also important to be mindful of what your spending says about your values and realize how big of an impact your spending has on the bigger picture. For instance, maybe instead of using Amazon for everything or always going to the big box stores, seeking out local, women-run businesses instead. Especially since they’ve been the hardest hit during this pandemic.
To get some ideas about how you can be part of the change, you find more resources and info about Coast Capital’s Keep Her on the Map campaign on their website. Also watch their quick video about some startling statistics about how women have been affected by the pandemic.
For full episode show notes, visit https://jessicamoorhouse.com/271
When we think of financial planning, often we just focus on budgeting, debt repayment, and investing. But another important element of a complete financial plan is protection. Specifically protecting yourself and/or your loved ones if something happens.
That’s why I’ve got Nicole Simons on the show, who is a Wealth Management Advisor at CPN Financial Services. For the past decade, she’s worked with clients in all aspects of financial planning, but especially when it comes to having the right insurance in place.
In this episode, we discuss the important things everyone should know about life insurance, critical illness insurance, and disability insurance. Hopefully, this episode will serve as a timely reminder to review how you’re currently protected and to ensure if you don’t have the right protections in place, to get it sooner rather than later.
For full episode show notes visit https://jessicamoorhouse.com/270
It’s that time again…tax time. But this tax season may feel a bit different than other years. And that’s because 2020 sure was a weird year. Many Canadians earned income through various benefit programs or started earning self-employment income for the first time.
So what’s the best way to navigate this new tax season so it can be the least stressful possible? That’s why I’ve got Susan Watkin, accountant, educator, and spokesperson for TurboTax Canada on the show! I took some time to gather all the key questions people had about taxes for this year, and Susan graciously answers all of them.
Hopefully, you’ll feel a bit better about filing your taxes this year, because it doesn’t have to be a pain. Just take some time to organize your documents (feel free to download my Tax Prep Checklist), pick a route to get your taxes done (click here to get 20% off TurboTax Assist & Review or Live Full Service), then choose a date and time to get it done. Remember, the sooner you get it done, the sooner you can get your tax refund…or at least not have to think about taxes until next year.
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Well, this episode is a big first for me! Not only is this the first-ever double episode, in which I share not one, but two guest interviews. But this is also the first episode I’ve ever done on cryptocurrency.
With all the talk in recent weeks about Bitcoin, I’ve finally given up thinking that cryptocurrency is just a trend or an asset that only tech bros or get-rich-quick investors are interested in. Even though it’s still very new, in my view it’s safe to say that cryptocurrency is here to stay. I’m still an ardent promoter of passive investing using index ETFs, however, I think it’s important to talk about other types of investing too.
So the first interview is with Ayelen Osorio, the Content & Community Manager at Netcoins. Netcoins is one of the leading cryptocurrency trading platforms in Canada, providing access for people like you and me to invest in cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin, Ethereum, and Tether.
Going from zero crypto knowledge now teaching others all about it, Ayelen provides a crash course in cryptocurrency to demystify digital currency as an investment type and share how why it may make sense as an addition to your portfolio.
As Ayelen mentions in the podcast, to learn more about cryptocurrency Netcoins offers a free Crypto Academy online course you can check out on their website.
For my second interview, I chat with Elliot Johnson, CIO & COO at Evolve ETFs. Evolve ETFs recently launched the second-ever Bitcoin ETF in Canada (ticker EBIT), making owning a bit of Bitcoin more accessible by trading it on a traditional stock exchange through your discount brokerage account. Not only that, you can hold your Bitcoin ETF in your TFSA or RRSP (something you’re unable to do with an actual Bitcoin).
This is a very exciting time to be an investor, and although I’m still cautious (what couch potato investor wouldn’t be?), I’m interested to see where cryptocurrency will go in the future. Maybe in a few more years, like when this show turns 10 years old, I’ll do a follow-up episode to see how much has changed. Remember, people thought using a digital bank 10 years ago was risky, so who knows what will happen with cryptocurrency!
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I’m so excited to have Sarah Wilson from Budget Girl on the podcast! I got to know Sarah when we met at FinCon in 2019, and since then we’ve become friends and are even in a mastermind together with some other amazing women in the personal finance community.
It was high time I had Sarah on the show because she has crushed some major milestones since our first meeting. As she shares in this episode, she started out her personal finance journey with five-figures of debt while living on a very low income. But by learning more about the fundamentals of money management, living frugally, and taking on some side hustles to earn extra money on top of her day job, she not only paid off all her debt in 3 years, she was also able to buy a house that she partially rents out, and has just reached a $100,000 net worth.
Sarah’s story should serve as an important reminder that where you start doesn’t determine where you’ll end up. It may not be easy to crush your debt and grow your wealth, but it is possible if you stay strong, consistent, and don’t give up!
For full episode show notes, visit https://jessicamoorhouse.com/267
Although I’ve done 265 episodes of this show (well, more if you count any of my solo episodes), shockingly I’ve never done an episode on the history of money. As important as it is to discuss the management of money, it’s just as important to understand currency’s history. Especially as we enter this new age of currency with the rise of cryptocurrency.
Luckily, I was able to get Frederick Kaufman on the show, who authored The Money Plot: A History of Currency’s Power to Enchant, Control, and Manipulate, and is also a much distinguished English professor who has spent the last decade focused on researching the fiction that is money.
If you’re a money nerd and history buff like me, you’re going to love this episode and Frederick’s latest book!
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Before I get into some details about my wonderful guest for this episode, I want to share more about what I said right at the top of the show since it’s pretty important.
As of last week, I have put to rest the old name for this podcast, the Mo’ Money Podcast, and have officially changed the show’s name to the More Money Podcast. As I explained in the intro for this episode, it was very much time for this change and I feel really good about it.
As you know, especially from episode 244, I am an ally of BIPOC and am a supporter of Black Lives Matter. I’ve also been putting more effort to have a more diverse guest list for the show to ensure there are more voices being heard that need to be. I want to be part of the solution, not the problem.
Still, I had never really stopped to think that my podcast name may actually be part of the problem and may come off as offensive to some people until recently.
To give you some background, when I first started my blog in 2011, I called it Mo' Money Mo' Houses. I was 24 when my old roommate and I came up with the name, and I thought it was a funny play on words with my last name and the song Mo' Money Mo' Problems. A few years later, I launched this podcast under the same name. When I rebranded from Mo' Money Mo' Houses to just my personal name (Jessica Moorhouse), I dropped the Mo' Houses from my podcast name so it became simply Mo' Money.
Throughout the years, I've toyed with the idea of updating the name to something that had more relevance to my brand, but I kept putting it off. Until I recently stumbled upon a review on my podcast that made take action immediately. The review is still on Apple Podcasts, so I'm sure you'll be able to find it easily. In essence, they were calling me out for appropriating language from the Black community. That was never my intention and I felt terrible that that had never crossed my mind. So I did a quick poll on Instagram to see how some of my listeners felt. Although the majority didn't feel the same way, some people did.
I never want to offend anyone, and I especially don't want anyone to misunderstand my values or support for the Black community. So, I changed the name. Luckily it was an easy change to the More Money Podcast, but it did remind me that I still have work to do in order to become a better ally. So thanks to everyone for supporting this name change, and supporting me! And thanks again for continuing to listen to the show.
Ok, now onto the special guest for this episode, Meaghan Jean Smith. She is a money mindset and life coach for women who I’ve been following on Instagram for a little while now. She is also the host of the popular Money Mindful podcast and book club. I find her so inspiring and her thoughts on money and mindfulness so interesting, I had to have her on the show so we could dive deeper.
This is one of those episodes that's going to make you pause and think (what good timing since I've been doing a lot of that lately!), and reconsider your actions, habits, and mindset around money. Meaghan definitely got me thinking of some of the money mindset issues I still battle every day. I think I've mentioned on the show that naturally I have a scarcity mindset because of my background growing up. But I try to work through that because I find having an abundance mindset so much more liberating.
I hope you enjoy this episode as much as I did and make sure to follow Meaghan on Instagram and check out her podcast that dives even deeper into this topic!
For full episode show notes visit https://jessicamoorhouse.com/265
Is your money safe at the bank? It’s a question I get asked all the time. Same with is it safe to use an online bank. And that’s thanks to the Canada Deposit Insurance Corporation (CDIC). I’ve personally partnered with CDIC for years because I believe it’s so important to spread awareness about how our deposits are protected at the bank. In other words, if your bank goes bankrupt, you won’t lose any of your money at that bank. And just so you know, there hasn’t been a bank failure in Canada for 25 years. And even when there was a bank failure in Canada, as long as CDIC has been around, not a single Canadian has lost a dime!
To share more about this, so you too can spread the word and feel confident that your money is safe at the bank, I’ve got Peter Routledge, President & CEO of CDIC on the show to explain what CDIC is, how it works, and what you should know.
For full episode show notes visit https://jessicamoorhouse.com/264
What a treat of an episode I have for you! Back for a 3rd time on the podcast, and to celebrate the final installment of her Broke Millennial series, I have Erin Lowry back on the show.
Her new book, Broke Millennial Talks Money, is available now and that’s what we get talking about in this episode. How to navigate touch money decisions, be it with your friends, partner, or parents. What are the scripts we should use and what are some tips to make those conversations even a little bit less awkward?
I can’t believe it’s been almost two years since Erin was in Toronto to do a live event with me to celebrate her 2nd book, Broke Millennial Takes on Investing. What a fun event that was, and boy do I look forward to being able to do events again (maybe I can get her back to Toronto!). I can’t wait to see what Erin has in store next now that her book series is done. So I guess we all have to stay tuned!
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I've had so many guests on the show over the years to talk about the wealth accumulation stage of investing, but I haven't had any, besides Mike Drak from episode 208 who wrote Victory Lap Retirement, to talk about what happens when you actually retire. What happens when you have to start decumulating your nest egg?
That's why I've got Frederick Vettese on the show for this episode. He is the former Chief Actuary of Morneau Shepell, a major Canadian human resources firm. He's also a frequent contributor to the Globe and Mail on retirement issues. And lastly, he's the author of three books, including his latest book that we talk about in this episode, Retirement Income for Life: Getting More Without Saving More.
Even if retirement is decades away for you, it's so important to know what to expect when it's right around the corner. How do you ensure you don't drain your retirement savings in the first few years? What strategies should you use to decumulate your savings in a sustainable way? And what are some key things to know about enjoying your retirement and the fruits of your labour?
For full episode show notes visit https://jessicamoorhouse.com/262
We’ve all heard the statistics. If you’re a woman and you decide to take time off of your career to raise a family, go back to school, or travel the world, it will set you back both professionally and financially. Although it’s not fair, these are the facts. But that shouldn’t scare you from taking that career pause when you need to.
And luckily I have two guests on the show to discuss how to get back into the workforce, and not just get back on track but accelerate your career into an even better, more successful one.
I’ve got Nancy Jensen and Sarah Duenwald on the show to discuss this topic in-depth. They teamed up to found their company, The Swing Shift, and co-author their new book Back to Business, after working with hundreds of women struggling with this exact thing.
Not only that, both Nancy and Sarah experienced this themselves when taking maternity leaves, and that’s what inspired them to come together and create a solution for women so we can see a change in those statistics.
For full episode show notes visit https://jessicamoorhouse.com/261